Question about finding micro-niche in small overall market

[Schafir]

Hi everyone. Well, I have surprised myself in realizing the difficulty in finding a micro-niche that meets the challenge criteria. I am not saying I can't find one, but am surprised that so many ideas I have come up with don't meet the criteria. Here is a question for the experienced:

Let's say that I have chosen the market for "Glass Art", and I have an idea that a niche of "Blown glass"
and a micro-niche of "Blown Glass Bowls" might be an possible target. Market Samurai tells me that the keyword "Glass Art" meets the challenge criteria, but that NONE of the 800 keywords generated by this keyword meet the criteria.

Does this mean that I should just give up on this market and that any of the generated keywords will
not be suitable for a niche or sub-niche (my niche idea of "blown glass" and micro-niche of Blown Glass Bowls" certainly to not.

Thanks!

[pericles]

In short, yes

You are still learning how to build a micro-niche website. So keep looking until you find a suitable micro-niche.

It takes much longer to rank on the 1st page of Google if you try to compete in a market where there are too many competitors

[AdamAlbonni]

actually, rather than apply the challenge criteria right off the bat on your initial kw generated list from the seed term (glass art)...choose a kw from that list...click the little key on the left that looks kinda like a flashlight...open that kw up in a new tab...click generate keywords...THEN click keyword analysis...or maybe even do ONE MORE round of digging deeper into another kw term from that list by, again, opening it up into a new tab and clicking generate kw's...THENNNN, click keyword analysis and apply the challenge filters (keep in mind...you can always keep the SEO Comp box checked...but leave the value blank...this way you don't filter OUT the keywords, but simply are able to visually see where on the chain of competition they fall...find one that's relevant and maybe in the SEOC range of like sub 100k...then click that kw and go through the whole process of digging deeper to find what kw terms are also generating traffic that are closely related. you'll stumble on something...just treat yourself like an idiot and keep looking, haha.

[AdamAlbonni]

actually, i think i might've spoken too soon. much apologies for causing confusion...but i'm gonna let the moderators handle the advice giving and question answering haha. hopefully they make their way to this one and help us answer any questions because i believe i was wrong about being able to draw kw's from multiple tabs. however, i do have all of my tabbed kw's found in the kw analysis of my deepest analyzed tab, so maybe in this particular case for me i lucked out? we'll see. sorry again for the confusion, guys!

[DeanRichards]

Market Samurai tells me that the keyword "Glass Art" meets the challenge criteria, but that NONE of the 800 keywords generated by this keyword meet the criteria.

Ok, but as Adam says, what about all the other possible niches this search revealed?

One of the tricks that I do is to turn off all filters except for PRB and then sort the list by Searches, highest at the top. What I'm looking for are high search volume keywords with relatively lower competition. For example, when I look at the keyword analysis for "art glass" I see that "glass paint" has an SEOC of 789K while all the other keywords around it are in the millions. That's one to open in a new tab and look at more carefully. I also see "stained glass patterns" at only 383K when everything around it is in the millions, so that looks like something to try.

It's just makes sense, when you start with relatively high volume/low competition "seeds" you have a better chance of finding what you're looking for. It doesn't always yield a winner, but it is a good strategy to experiment with so you're not just flailing away blindly.

[Schafir]

Thank you Dean and Adam. The essence of my question was whether I was wasting my time trying to use a keyword generated from my market keyword as a seed for determining my niche or micro-niche. From your responses, I guess the answer is no. Even if a keyword doesn't meet the challenge criteria for my market, it could be a viable keyword for my niche or micro-niche.

Dean, I like your suggestion to rank keywords by searches and find ones with relatively low competition.

Well, back to MS and thanks!